The Herscovite BDS Moment

13 Aug

Just an FYI that I’ve got a couple of big projects (including an update to this site) cooking over the next several weeks, so postings may be lighter with more “newbrief” type material making an appearance for a while.

But before that, I wanted to plug a hole in the narrative about BDS and community by looking at a city I’ve not gotten to until now: the little BDS-wannabe town of Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Usually, when I’ve talked about communities dealing with BDS issues I’ve focused on places like Boston or San Francisco where Israel’s active supporters and detractors are pretty evenly matched numbers wise (which makes those places good test cases for support for Israel vs. BDS within the wider communities in which these two sub-groups operate).

At the other end of the spectrum, you’ve got places like the Happy Valley in Massachusetts or Olympia Washington which demonstrate just how miserable a place can become when the forces of BDS are in the ascendant.

But Ann Arbor, Michigan is a case all its own.

In a state where there exists a high percentage of Arab and Muslim Americans, you tend to find a fair amount of anti-Israel activism in Michigan (especially on college campuses).  Many BDS campaigns and even some boycott proposals have circulated in the state (one student union divestment bill even passing many years ago in Wayne State).

I’m not sure why these stories rarely make it onto the radar of even the Jewish press beyond Michigan’s borders.  Perhaps the media’s (and general Jewish communy’s) focus on the coasts makes activity in “flyover country” less noticeable than similar activity in places like Berkeley or Brooklyn.  Or perhaps because much of this activity (at least on college campuses) happened so long ago and led to nothing makes this a nothing story.

But I suspect that one reason BDS activity in places like Ann Arbor is so marginal is that the BDS activists themselves put so much energy into marginalizing themselves.

I hate to use the word “cult,” lest I start sounding like you-know-who, but in the case of Ann Arbor, I don’t think there is another word that could better describe the organization that has taken center stage with regard to Israel protests and BDS activities in the area.

Much of this activity centers on an organization that (at least for a while) went under the name of Jewish Witnesses for Peace.  And while this group has been involved with the usual failed BDS attempts here and there with regard to hummus boycotts and support for campus divestment activities, their primary “campaign” involved haunting the biggest synagogue in town with hostile protests (complete with angry and bigoted signs waved by people with coats over their own heads) during worship services for years and years and years.

And who came up with a stratagem that seems almost custom-made to appall everyone in the Jewish and non-Jewish community and cause every aspect of the anti-Israel agenda to be rejected in disgust?

Well credit seems to go to one Henry Hersovitz, a longtime anti-Israel agitator who apparently went by the name “Henry Henry” previous to finding his calling by picketing a synagogue he claims to have once attended (although no confirmation of that claim can be found).  You can begin to grasp the scope of dementia that fuels the Dear Leader of the local BDS movement from this site designed to counter the work of the “Herscovites” (the name these anti-Hersocovite forces have given the local protestors).

The reason I think “cult” is a good descriptor for this group is the way they seem to deal with any internal protest from people questioning a strategy that that has led to nothing outside the galvanization of the entire community against the BDSers and their cause.  In fact, who is “in” and who is “out” of the group seems to be solely dictated by someone’s willingness to participate in activity unquestionably detrimental to the cause the protestors claim to champion.  Which makes doubting the leadership a crime worthy of ostracism.

 I bring this up since the BDS groups in general could soon start looking more like Ann Arbor than vice versa.

Like the Ann Arbor protestors, the nationwide (really worldwide) BDS “movement” has faced nothing but failure, their achievements primarily consisting of inspiring the creation of successful pro-Israel organizations to fight them.  But outside of Ann Arbor, most BDSers cling to their fantasies of immanent victory at least to the point of still being able to feign enough humanity to occasionally fool those unaware of their real intentions.

This allows them to act in a semi-civilized fashion (until they lose, of course, at which point they show their true colors by throwing a public tantrum).  But what will happen if (as I suspect) the continued failure rate of BDS projects causes more and more people to “go Finkelstein” and question the competence (if not the sanity) of those who continue to push a program that has been proven to be such a loser for more than a decade?

We’ve seen some answers in those loud protests designed to shut down opposing views on college campuses, or other forms of bullying and harassment that might generate a few minutes of digital footage for BDS web sites but continue to alienate more and more people (as well as provide ammunition for sites like this one).

So how much farther does “BDS Global” need to devolve before we can accurately claim that “They are all Herscovites Now?”

145 Responses to “The Herscovite BDS Moment”

  1. Mike L. August 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    Jon,

    In a state where there exists a high percentage of Arab and Muslim Americans, you tend to find a fair amount of anti-Israel activism in Michigan (especially on college campuses).

    I think that it is important that we understand where BDS is coming from within American politics.

    This piece is concerned with Ann Arbor, Michigan.

    Is it your sense that Ann Arbor is largely a conservative community or largely a progressive community?

    • fizziks August 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

      Way to miss the entire point of the piece.

      This posting is pointing out that BDS has not gotten anywhere in Ann Arbor, in spite of the fact that Ann Arbor is a left-leaning university town in a state with a relatively large Arab population.

      So Ann Arbor is a progressive community where BDS has entirely failed to gain any traction.

    • Mike L. August 13, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

      I am not writing about the entire point of the piece.

      I am clearly writing about the fact that ostriches, such as yourself, continue to keep your heads buried deeply within the sand.

      The fact of the matter… a fact that you simply refuse to face… is that anti-Semitic anti-Zionism primarily comes out of your political movement in the world as it is today.

      If you absolutely refuse to face that obvious fact, then what can anyone say?

      You are not dealing with reality as it is and reality as it is, today, clearly demonstrates that it is the progressive-left that has provided a home for BDS.

      Fizziks, whether you like it or not, you are supporting a political movement, the progressive-left, that represents the foremost racist challenge to the existence of the Jewish state in the west today.

      You could argue that you are working to change that and that, therefore, you must support that movement despite the fact that it is increasingly anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.

      I would respect such a stance.

      What I will not respect is your ostrich routine, wherein you pretend that anti-Zionism has no particular political orientation.

      It does.

      It is yours.

      Your movement.

      You own it.

    • fizziks August 13, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

      At least you are now referring to liberalism / progressivism as my political movement and not falsely claiming it as your own as you did yesterday. Baby steps.

      Also, you are aware that this Harry Hersovitz guy is a Republican who ran as a Ron Paul delegate to the Michigan State Republican convention, right? That certainly sounds like the Republican party, ie your political movement, providing a home to someone representing the foremost racist challenge to the existence of the Jewish state in the west today.

  2. Anonymous August 13, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    http://www.hvcn.org/info/feh/

    The above site is one we in ann arbor developed to expose and marginalize the Herskovites ( a term of my coining!!)…and its worked.

    They have massively and laughably failed in several coop boycott attempts and Herskovitz himeself is now under fire from his immediate neighbors who have a had bellyfull of his latest stunt– a huge antisemitic flag on his own property.

    Even the large middle eastern community in nearby dearborn has turned a mostly tepid, if not cold ,shoulder to him and his fellow 'geriatric jihadists”.

    We have been fortunate in this situation, compared to other campuses/communities, simply because Hersky and company are widely and correctly viewed as mentally ill to pure evil ( or stupid).

    I'd sign my own name but part of the fun is keeping them guessing as to where their opposition is centered ( and they doubtless moniter sites like this).

    P.s. we in Feh have diverse opinions on the middle east, right left and center, and are united mostly by our singleminded desire to purge our fair town of an antisemitic lunatic. Sadly, tar and feathers are not a current option…(but who knows what a teaparty administration may bring).

    so just call me 'the scarlet pimpernel

    • Anonymous August 13, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

      mike l… my post above makes it clear that not all “leftists' ( and i am certainly left of center on most issues”) are 'ostrich like”.

      One could just ( or more ) validly claim that jewish Israel supporters who ally themselves with “zionist” rightwing evangicals are similarly deluded in casting their lot with those to whom Israel and jews are nothing more than “canaries in the coal mine” of a pending apocalypse ala the crazy “book of revelation”.

      fyi my pro-Israelism is just as validly “anti jihadism” informed by nearly 40 years of teaching islamic world issues at 2 major universities and spending alot of time in one of the the 'stans'.

      So don't be so blanket in your labeling…it sounds “BDS”y.

    • Mike L. August 13, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

      Just admit the fact that in the west today BDS is primarily a movement coming out of the progressive-left.

      That's it.

      If you cannot bring yourself to even face that obvious fact, then how can you even begin to address the question?

    • fizziks August 13, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

      I love the moving goalposts.

      Yesterday you would settle for nothing less than the BDS movement comes from the grassroots / netroots of the Democratic party. I see you have given that up because even you realize how untenable that claim is.

      So now it's back to “BDS is primarily a movement coming out of the progressive-left.” And that is harder to prove or disprove, since what people who promote BDS may claim in certain forums and what their politics are can be quite different. I'm going to stick with a pretty solid definition that I follow. Anyone who is going to vote for Ron Paul instead of Obama, as BDSers tend to, is not part of the progressive-left.

    • Sylvia August 13, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

      Way to go, Scarlet! Great work!
      Sounds like Pinocchio is one of those Jews who hate the father who gave them their name.

      Some of the others look to me like regular Ishmaelites with behind them a long history of synagogue and Church stealing.

      What I wonder is by what twist of his sick mind has Pinocchio reached the conclusion that those American Jews have anything to do with Israel?

    • Anonymous August 13, 2012 at 10:41 pm #

      sylvia..glad you like our site.

      But re Herskovitz and his daddy: it's even wierder.

      Check out the page on the FEH site called “hersky's heroes” for the item on his “cheesburger epiphany” by one his equally loony followers “michelle Kinnucan ' ( affectionately known to FEH niks as 'sasquatch”..

      you can't make this stuff up!!

      scarlet p.

    • Sylvia August 13, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

      You sure can't. Weird.

  3. Mike from Ann Arbor August 13, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    As an Ann Arborite who has for nearly a decade been combating the Herskovites, I thank you for this piece. I corroborate what my friend who posted just above states about starting the website, F.E.H./Facilitating the Eviction of Herskovites and coining the eponymous term.

    Here is the definition of a Herskovite from the website mentioned just above:

    “A Herskovite is someone who blindly follows the ideology of Henry Herskovitz, founder of Jewish Witnesses for Peace and Friends. Herskovitz and his minions, the Herskovites, have weekly pickets outside of Beth Israel Congregation [in Ann Arbor, Michigan] holding inflammatory signs as they harass passing congregants.”

    For more, including photos of Herskovitz and his motley band bearing the cynical name “Jewish” Witnesses for “Peace” and Friends in action, please go to http://www.hvcn.org/info/feh/whatis.htm

    The reason I placed quotes around the words _Jewish_ and _Peace_ is that most of this small band is not Jewish, and they are decidedly not for peace. Their primary goal, about which they are unequivocal, is the destruction of the State of Israel and placing what is now the world's only Jewish State under Moslem Arab domination.

    I could tell you some stories including how we trounced the purveyors of the Boycott Israeli Goods attempt the People's Food Co-op, our local very progressive (as is the town on the whole). In 2007, their resolution to boycott the Israeli products carried by the PFC was defeated 77%-23%.

    Following that crushing defeat, the BIGots as we call them (not to be confused with the real BIG, Buy Israeli Goods movement,) tried to sneak a stealth candidate onto the PFC Board, i.e., Charles Loucks of the Huron Valley “Greens,” a petulant supporter of the anti-Israel resolution whose sole issue appears to be dismantling Israel, and he was soundly beaten, too. In the Spring of 2009, Loucks and Herskovitz again tried to hijack the People’s Food Co-op, but garnered about 9% of the vote for the Board _between_ them, with Herskovitz polling at 1%! Five years after their first drubbing BIGots, especially Loucks is still crying “foul!” You pegged these folks exactly right: when it became apparent at the PFC annual members’ meeting in May 2009, he called his opponents for the Board seat “cowards” and stamped his feet like a little baby and ran out before the vote was announced. Shortly afterwards, a local unhinged anti-Israel fanatic named Blaine Coleman (that’s a whole other story) came in and when told of Herskovits’s and Loucks’ defeat for the Board positions rolled his fists into balls and started screaming “Boycott Israel! Boycott Israel” ad infinitum like an infant.

    Please feel free to link FEH on your site and contact us via our website listed above.

    • Sylvia August 13, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

      WOW Mike, what a story!
      And one that should be told!
      Kol haKavod!

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 14, 2012 at 6:22 am #

      Thanks, Sylvia. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

      Here are links to the full False Witnesses series in the Washtenaw Jewish News (Ann Arbor):

      “False Witnesses” – Washtenaw Jewish News, Dec '09
      http://www.washtenawjewishnews.org/PDFs/wjn-dec-09.pdf

      “Since September 2003, the congregation of Ann Arbor’s most visible synagogue has been subjected to the display of signs and the people who hold them.”

      Washtenaw Jewish News, Feb '10
      http://www.washtenawjewishnews.org/PDFs/wjn-02-10-web.pdf

      See:
      • “The Few and the Just” – page 1 (wherein a former Herskovits details that JWPF is indeed a cult).
      • 'More on “False Witnesses”' – page 2
      • “False Witnesses II: The devil’s in the details (or vice versa)” – page 9

      Washtenaw Jewish News, Mar '10
      http://www.washtenawjewishnews.org/PDFs/wjn_march_2010-web.pdf

      See:
      • “False Witnesses create own Newspeak” – page 1
      • 'It’s the “witness,” not the name, that’s false' – page 2

      The whole ugly battle at the People's Food Co-op is detailed online in the now defunct Arbor Update largely killed off because its moderators were sick of dealing with the excesses of the Herskovites. I'll try to find time to dig up the links and some quotes that are very revealing of what kind of people Henry Herskovitz and his ilk are. Herskovitz has even fought pedantically and cult leader-like with people one would think would be his natural allies.

  4. Anonymous August 13, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

    The best response comes from the harrassed congregants themselves: http://www.aaspurn.org

  5. Mike L. August 13, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

    The bottom line for me is that pro-Israel “progressives” simply refuse to acknowledge the obvious fact that their own movement has made a home of itself for anti-Semitic anti-Zionism.

    That's the bottom line.

    Western anti-Zionism is not coming from the mainstream right, but it has made a home for itself within prominent progressive-left venues such as Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, the UK Guardian, and any number of significant universities around the country and throughout Europe.

    It is long past time to acknowledge the obvious and it is obvious that the progressive movement provides a the primary home of anti-Semitic anti-Zionism in the west today.

    Fizziks, you can yank your head out of the sand whenever you wish and if you want to challenge progressive-left anti-Zionism then I am with you.

    However, so long as you continue to pretend that racist anti-Zionism is not of the progressive-left, and the grassroots / netroots of the Democratic Party, then it shows me that you are not facing reality for partisan political reasons.

    I still hold you in some respect, so snap the hell out of it. You do not need to protect the progressive movement from its mistakes.

    And this mistake is a mighty big one.

    • fizziks August 13, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

      Don't you think that it is extremely inconsistent and intellectually lazy and dishonest to ceaselessly tarnish the entire left / progressive movement (and depending on your mood, the mainstream Democratic party) with the antics of losers at Daily Kos, while completely ignoring equally large elephants in the room on the right?

      Here's a trivia question: Which major American political party has had candidate run in its primary and garner millions of votes who said that the very creation of Israel is a mistake? Answer: The Republicans. And they've done it not once but twice, first with Pat Buchannon, and now with Ron Paul. Are you aware that Ron Paul and his Israel hating ways got 40% of the vote in the Virginia primary a few months ago?

      Rabidly anti-Israel (and antisemitic) David Duke actually won a Republican primary for governor.

      It really takes a lot of “choots-paw” in the immortal words of Sarah Palin consistently ignore every anti-Israel and antisemitic sin of the Right while reveling in every one of the Left, to the point of dismissing an entire half of the political spectrum because of the actions of a minority of it.

    • Anonymous August 13, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

      yes mike l… we know what your bottom line is. Time to move on

      scarlet p.

    • Mike L. August 13, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

      David Duke is irrelevant on the right and I do not come out of that movement.

      You are an ostrich and you fail the Jewish people when you absolutely refuse to acknowledge where the challenges come from.

      The left is tarnished because it accepts anti-Semitic anti-Zionism as a significant presence within its tent.

      It is neither intellectually lazy, nor dishonest, to acknowledge that fact. The reverse is true. It is entirely intellectually dishonest to ignore it.

      It is you who are being intellectually lazy and dishonest.

      You do disservice to yourself and to the Jewish people when you defend the anti-Zionist left against Jewish criticism of it, by not acknowledging its accepted presence in your political movement.

      The left, as a whole, is not guilty of anti-Semitism, as I have affirmed ad nauseum,, however it is guilty of providing a home for it.

      And it is this that you fail to acknowledge.

    • Mike L. August 13, 2012 at 11:15 pm #

      Anonymous,

      not only is it not time to move on, it is only now happening that diaspora Jews are awakening to progressive-left hatred toward us.

      Most people have no idea that the progressive-left has emerged as the most racist political movement, and the most anti-Semitic political movement, in the west today.

      What you will see in the coming years is the deterioration of Jewish support for that movement and for precisely that reason.

      In 2012, in the US, Jewish support for the racist left will drop. It won't drop all that much and my bet, for about a year now, is that it will decline from 77 percent support for Obama to something under, or around 65 percent.

      It is obvious that the Jewish presence in Judea is not the source of the problem and the longer that progressives, like Obama, like people such Fizziks, insist that it is, the more Jewish people will say “no” to the western progressive-left.

      Watch.

    • fizziks August 13, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

      Ok, got it.

      So David Duke, Pat Buchannon, and Ron Paul, the later having run in the most recent Republican Presidential primary and received millions of votes, don't matter. Their presence and ideology says nothing about the right. Also the fact that this Hersovits guy is a Republican is irrelevant.

      Because the Right is to be defined by its better members, and not its Israel haters. Okay, fair enough.

      And yet because Markos Moulitzas – a person of absolutely no power or consequence – is an antisemitic dickwad, you have repeatedly and ceaselessly tarnished the left (and the Democratic party when you're feeling especially bold) as “accepts anti-Semitic anti-Zionism as a significant presence within its tent.”

      Where is the consistency, Mike? Are the Republicans willing to renounce Ron Paul and do without his millions of voters in the general election. No?? Well then they've accepted anti-Semitic anti-Zionism as a significant presence within their tent, haven't they?

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 1:51 am #

      Well then they've accepted anti-Semitic anti-Zionism as a significant presence within their tent, haven't they?

      Much more so than the Democratic Party which has a nominee that has

      1. Actually named a month of the year Jewish History Month

      2. Set up an annual seder at the White House (something NO other President has done).

      3. Actually visited a Concentration Camp

      4. Made a Kosher Kitchen for Pesach so Jewish Staffers could eat in the White House

      5. Awarded President Peres of Israel the Presidential Medal of Freedom

      6. INCREASED funding and Military cooperation with Israel and was directly responsible for increased funding of Iron Dome, Arrow, David's Sling, and Magic Wand anti-Missle systems

      7. Has been termed an “exceptional friend” of Israel by Defense Minister Barak

      8. Has stood up to Palestinian unilateralism at the U.N. and been steadfast in maintaining the U.S. role in any Peace discussions.

      What do the Republicans stand for… Hmmmm: A One State solution as envisioned by the YESHA, and greenlighting anything that Im Tirtzu says. Other than that… Not a whole hell of a lot.

  6. fizziks August 13, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

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  7. Mike L. August 13, 2012 at 11:29 pm #

    “Anyone who is going to vote for Ron Paul instead of Obama, as BDSers tend to, is not part of the progressive-left.”

    You are delusional.

    Some BDSers like Ron Paul and some like Barack Obama. Some even like the Republican party.

    Fizziks is being obtuse, intentionally or otherwise.

    The point, which you refuse to acknowledge, is that the primary movement which supports anti-Semitic anti-Zionism in the west today comes from the progressive-left.

    YOUR political movement.

    Congratulations.

    You own it, so you eat it.

    By the way, you owe Jay an enormous apology, but I won't hold my breath.

    • fizziks August 13, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

      I refuse to acknowledge it because it isn't true.

      You can scream it at the top of your lungs, but that doesn't make it true. You want it to be true, but that doesn't make it true.

      Again, though, I'm glad that you've at least ceased to dishonestly claim that you are part of the left and just oh so concerned for it.

    • Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 12:07 am #

      Daily Kos is NOT a progressive-left venue?

      Is that your contention?

      The Huffington Post is NOT a progressive-left venue?

      Is that your contention?

      The UK Guardian is NOT a progressive-left venue?

      Is that your contention?

      How about that stalwart bastion of the right, TIME magazine, that featured a story about how Israelis do not care about peace because they are too busy trying to make money?

      How about Yale University that eliminated Charles Small's Interdisciplinary Initiative for the Study of anti-Semitism (YIISA)?

      Is Yale right-wing?

      Or how about the University of Pennsylvania with its recent BDS conference?

      Do you suppose that it was Young Americans for Freedom that initiated that conference?

      I do not think so.

      I am not “screaming.”

      I am insisting that the progressive-left acknowledge that it is from within your own ranks that we are seeing anti-Semitic anti-Zionism emerge in the west today.

      I am a liberal.

      I come out of the progressive-left and for you to deny what is happening directly in your face, from out of your own movement, proves to me that progressive Jews, such as yourself, are simply not to be trusted when it comes to this question.

      You will support the western left over and above the Jewish state of Israel.

      It could hardly be more obvious.

      Were this not the case, you would acknowledge the very obvious fact that anti-Semitic anti-Zionism has nested itself within your movement and within the venues that I referenced, along with many, many others.

      What you can expect going forward is more and more liberal Jews, such as myself, to challenge you on your support for a movement that provides a home for reactionary anti-Semitism.

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 12:48 am #

      As I sit happily in my BDS nest, popcorn in hand and watching this debate/argument ensue, I'd just like to point out one very telling accusation:

      “You will support the western left over and above the Jewish state of Israel.”

      Now, on this very website I've implied a few times that some American Zionists prioritize Israeli interests over American interests (AKA Israel firsters) to which I've been met with infuriated refutations. Could this quote be any more evidence of my assertion? Why shouldn't one support a political party in one's OWN country (one that serves his own best interests) over what he presumes is the best for a foreign country? Are you serious? If you're basing your vote in this upcoming election on Israel/Palestine, we have some serious problems.

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 1:08 am #

      So Mike,

      Ron Paul is not a conservative / right politician?

      Is that your contention?

      Bat Buchannon is not a conservative / right commentator?

      Is that your contention?

      Harry Herskocviz is not a candidate deligate for the Michigan Republican convention?

      Is that your contention?

      See, we can both play this game.

      The difference is that I don't use anecdotes to generalize to absurd claims such as “the primary movement which supports anti-Semitic anti-Zionism in the west today comes from the conservative-right.”

    • Sylvia August 14, 2012 at 1:33 am #

      Supporting the Brown/Green Alliance (aka Western left) is an American interest? Well, live and learn.

  8. Rebecca August 14, 2012 at 12:35 am #

    Jon – thanks for posting this article. I've read some of Herskovitz's more delusional posts on his blog, and it's good to see him noticed (and denounced).

  9. Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    btw, this:

    “I'm glad that you've at least ceased to dishonestly claim that you are part of the left and just oh so concerned for it.”

    It is not for you to tell me where my political inclinations lie or who I am.

    In fact, it is entirely illiberal to tell other people what their identity is.

    If you have the gonads you can respond here:

    http://israel-thrives.blogspot.com/2012/08/my-final-or-most-recent-response-to.html

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 1:11 am #

      Mike, do you even know what liberalism is, as a political philosophy?

      Obviously not, if you can type stuff like this:

      “In fact, it is entirely illiberal to tell other people what their identity is.”

      Seriously man, learn something about a topic before pontificating ceaselessly on it.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 1:27 am #

      Yeah… you are a real liberal… Now pull the other one… It has bells on it…

      You spend your time railing against the President to the point of calling him a racist. Meanwhile you openly say you are voting for Mitt Romney and the Republicans, people who stand against every single liberal idea that Americans have.

      Do you somehow expect anyone with more than three brain cells to buy your bullshit?

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 1:42 am #

      HOLY CRAP did you just say this:

      I come out of the progressive-left and for you to deny what is happening directly in your face, from out of your own movement, proves to me that progressive Jews, such as yourself, are simply not to be trusted when it comes to this question.

      and

      You will support the western left over and above the Jewish state of Israel.

      Who made you Captain Israel? I mean seriously. When did you become the arbiter of who or what should be trusted to support Israel?

      This might be one of the more offensive things I have read in a long time. You should take fiz' advice and really learn something about what you speak.

      BDS as a movement has support on both the extreme left and the extreme Right. One can see at MondoFront (Mondoweiss) this phenomena. Yes, there are people that claim it from the left, but, to deny fiz' claim that it is also on the right despite all of the evidence he points too is singularly (like the rest of your post) ridiculous.

      BDS outside of some self deluded JVP types is an anti-Semitic movement with the goal of delegitimizing Israel and ending it's existence as the National Homeland and State of the Jewish people.

      That is a goal that has been a Rightist goal for a long time. Too ignore that is uninformed at best and idiotic and beyond at worst. Which are you?

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 2:04 am #

      Mike, I sure hope you read this because you really need to:

      You really don't know what liberalism is. And therefore you don't know what you are talking about in forums like this.

      It became clear to me with this comment of yours, and suddenly everything made more sense:

      In fact, it is entirely illiberal to tell other people what their identity is.

      I see you put stuff like this all the time, so this isn't an isolated incident.

      You seem to be under the impression that liberalism is something having to do with a way of acting, that involves never telling other people that they are incorrect.

      You are simply mistaken. Liberalism is not a personality trait that involves not criticizing other people. So you should really drop that illusion, because it is just plain incorrect.

      Liberalism is a political philosophy. One having to do with positions on a variety of issues. It is not what you apparently think it is, a personality trait or a disposition.

      The fact that you are so confused about this makes a lot of other baffling things you say make more sense in context. You can claim that Ron Paul devotees are liberals, and even that you yourself are a liberal, because you don't understand what liberalism is.

      So please, if nothing else, please try to understand what liberalism is. It really has nothing to do with whether one criticizes other people for saying nonsensical garbage.

  10. Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 12:44 am #

    This absolutist “left vs right ” nonsense is just that …nonsense .

    Liberals ( which i am and which mike L unconvincingly claims to be) are left of center and among the more reliable supporters of Israel when in positions of power.

    Far Leftists ( like the Green party and the herskovites ) are often indeed crazy antisemites…just a far rightists are ( and I dont trust teaparty type evangelical support for israel for a heartbeat…

    although it is true that Romney evidently has bit of a man-crush on Netanyahu from their days as grad student in cambridge mass..

    .But conversely mildly leftist me's sister used to date Netanyahu when they were in jr high and he spent alot of nice time at our house…so there!!

    and Mike L: don't you dare question my credentials as an Anti BDS-er or one professionally knowledgeable about middle east issues ( given my long standing involvement in these matters).
    Why deliberately alienate people??? It's so “Henry herskovitz”.

    Let's focus on common enemies and stop semantic squabbling

    scarlet p

  11. Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 1:57 am #

    To be honest, It's inaccurate to use Ron Paul and his supporters as examples of 'conservative' BDS proponents. Ron Paul is an isolationist and on principle thinks that the United States shouldn't aid or intervene with any country, not just Israel. His views towards Israel are largely unaltered by its human rights abuses, but rather that it's a foreign country and therefore undeserved of unfettered American support.

    On the other hand, BDS is an ethnics-based movement, meaning that its supporters act because they genuinely believe that doing so can ameliorate the human rights situation in Israel-Palestine. BDS supporters almost exclusively allude to the human rights violations when arguing in favor of BDS whereas Ron Paul supporters choose to promote a philosophy of isolationism. True BDS proponents are generally liberal.

    This is a very important distinction. Ron Paul is not a BDSer. Some BDSers support Ron Paul because they believe that in this scenario 'the ends justify the means' so to speak, but in the end, the BDS movement itself is shaped by liberals like Omar Barghouti, Ali Abunimah, Phil Weiss JVP, etc.

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 1:59 am #

      Oops, I meant to say that “BDS is an ethics-based movement”

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 2:09 am #

      Meh.

      Anyone who would even think of voting for Ron Paul – the guy that wants to eliminate Social Security and the EPA – instead of Obama is not a liberal. It's really that easy.

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 2:17 am #

      Agreed, but I really believe that the percentage of BDSers who would vote for Paul over Obama (if Paul were even an option) is much smaller than you think.

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 2:31 am #

      alright, well then this just gets back to the old 'you are familiar with different BDSers than I am' thing. So there is no point to you keep pushing this.

  12. fizziks August 14, 2012 at 3:34 am #

    Alright, Mike L., I just figured out a way to wrap up this whole discussion.

    Above you say:

    In fact, it is entirely illiberal to tell other people what their identity is.

    And you have said similar things before.

    Now right here, we have a concrete distillation that you simply do not understand what liberalism is.

    Liberalism is a political philosophy and a set of political positions. It is not personality trait or a way of acting.

    I encourage you to read what I wrote above for a more thorough discussion of this.

    But what if your statement were in fact true? What if defining other people's identity for them were illiberal? Well, certainly you can't dispute that you have exactly done that ad nauseam here. You define BDS as leftists, and the BDS movement as a progressive movement. You define myself and others – even in opposition to our own self-identities – as anti-Israel (and in fact as “racists” as you put it on your own blog). And so on.

    So if what you said is in fact true – that defining others is illiberal – then you are most certainly not a liberal. Which would be self-evident except unfortunately you have claimed to be a liberal repeatedly in these comments.

    So certainly you must agree that elementary logic dictates that the following simply cannot simultaneously be true:

    1) It is illiberal to define others' political identity

    2) You are a liberal

    !

    So at least one of those two things that you have claimed must be false. Which one would would you like to disavow?

    Now I of course believe that BOTH of those contentions are false, because, as above, liberalism is a political philosophy and not a conversational disposition, and 2) you are a conservative.

  13. DrMike August 14, 2012 at 3:44 am #

    Sorry, can't let that “ethics-based” comment fly by without throwing a penalty flag on it.

    Ethics–really?
    1. Start with the creation of the BDS movement, at a modern lynch mob featuring praise for Hitler, open calls to kill Jews, and a kangaroo-court conference at which Jewish NGO's were deliberately excluded. That's ethical?
    2. Move on to the BDS call– which insists on the eradication of the Jewish– and only the Jewish– nation-state. That's ethical?
    3. Then let's add tactics, which Jon has extensively documented including dead-of-night sleight of hand, violation of many organizations' own rules of procedure, and attempts to prevent open debate. I was there at UC Berkeley watching BDS proponents sign up on both the “pro” and “anti” lists to take time away from BDS opponents. That's ethical?
    4. Then let's add criminal mischief: tampering with food products (that's a crime, at least in the US), setting fire in a store that refused to bow to the BDSers demands (that was a Trader Joe's in the San Francisco area), and physically blocking the entrance to an Israeli-owned shop in Australia, a tactic reminiscent of 1930's Germany but without the brown shirts and armbands. That's ethical?

    As Seth Meyers and Amy Poehler would occasionally say on SNL: “Really? REALLY?”

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 4:19 am #

      Your rabid hyperbole aside, did my comment even go so far as to claim that the BDS ethics are 'correct'? In case you need to think about that, the answer is “no”. The purpose of my comment was to explain that BDSers generally act on a different set of values than Ron Paul supporters. The two might have a similar end-game (debatable), but their reasons for doing what they do are dramatically different. Is that really so controversial?

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 4:39 am #

      Yes…

      Is that really so controversial?

      It is. The two have very similar reasons for doing what they are doing as neither believes in the legitimate rights of the Jewish people to self determination.

      The fact that the BDS movement hides behind “liberal/progressive” rhetoric as do the Paulista's (at least the ones sane enough to know that their pure anti-Semitism does not fly with the modern American Polity) means nothing.

      It is pretty plain to see that the motivations for any of this are the same. As I said in another post, aside from a few hard leftists and some useful idiots there is not much difference between Leftist and Rightist advocates of BDS. Listen to a David Duke screed sometime. His rhetoric echoes that of the “Leftist” supporters of BDS and I think we can all agree that Duke and his followers are far from “Progressive”.

    • DrMike August 14, 2012 at 6:01 am #

      To use the phrase “ethics-based” would imply to most readers that the position taken is, in a word, “ethical”. So to suddenly back off and say “I didn't mean to say they were CORRECT ethics” strips the word of any meaning. One might as well say that any political philosophy is “ethics-based” as it uses such ethics to slaughter millions in the name of religion or whatever.
      BDSers often claim that their movement is “rights-based” while constructing a scenario in which only Palestinians have rights (even made-up ones like the “right” of return) and only Israelis have responsibilities. And basically isn't this the core of the problem– the misuse of “human rights” (and “ethics”) language in the service of a deeply unethical effort to deny the Jewish people our rights?

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 8:52 am #

      BDSers' understanding of the word “ethics” clearly comes from the same dictionary which defines “resistance” as shooting rockets at school buses.

  14. Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 6:01 am #

    To BDSers: I can’t believe anyone who purports to be open minded, progressive, and forward-thinking can defend BDS as “ethical” and fighting for “justice” and “human rights.”

    It amazes me how such monomaniacs never seem to be bothered by the crimes committed by Israel’s neighbors and many other countries around the world that on their _best_ days make Israel on its _worst_ day always come off smelling like a rose. There must be a reason that there is so much rage about Israel and dead silence from the BDSers when it comes to the genocide in Darfur; the “honor” killings of even little girls by their own families in Palestinian-Arab controlled territories; mass murder by Assad in Syria; the theocratic fascism of Iran that violently beats down Iranians who demand an open, democratic society, cows women, Jews, Baha’is, Zoroastrians, Christians, and any other non-Islamic minority, and murders homosexuals; the way women are forced to cover up and denied many basic rights in medieval Saudi Arabia; the constant brutal attacks against Christians and other non-Moslems by Islamic fanatics in Egypt, Nigeria, Niger, Pakistan, India, etc; a fact: more Moslems and Arabs are maimed, raped, tortured, stoned, humiliated, dehumanized, bombed, beheaded, and otherwise brutalized by other Arabs and Moslems than by any other group.

    If BDS supporters are truly concerned about the rights of Palestinian Arabs, why not a word about how Palestinians are kept in squalid refugee camps and treated worse than dogs in virtually every Arab-controlled territory from the PA-governed areas to Lebanon to Syria to Saudi Arabia to Kuwait? There must be a reason (and not a rational, sane one) that tiny, democratic, multicultural Israel is singled out above all these others who commit true human rights violations on an ongoing basis.

    Could it be because Israel is a _Jewish_ state? Don’t say because you are Jewish, you can’t possibly be an antisemite. That doesn’t stop Henry Herskovitz, an unabashed Jew baiter and Judeophobe who is aligned or in common cause with neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers, and the homophobic, Jew-hating Phelps Family cult of Topeka.

    The lack of even the slightest indignation about the many horrific crimes against humanity committed by a veritable host of nations and governments speaks volumes about the sinister forces behind BDS that snares even well-intentioned people.

    And, I proudly proclaim that I am a liberal and supporter of Israel, and am far from the only one. Have you heard of Alan Dershowitz and Pilar Rahola?

    I find it absurd that those who oppose the dark forces who seek to de-legitimize and destroy Israel are fighting over who is more responsible for allowing BDS to propagate, the left or the right! As is the goal of this great website, Divest This! we should concentrate our energy on exposing BDS and its malevolent leaders and those duped into thinking it’s a “progressive” movement instead of squabbling with each other.

    Israel does indeed have friends and foes on both sides of the aisle.

    Henry Herskovitz and his tiny cult of synagogue stalkers hate the liberals as much as they hate mainstream conservatives and align themselves with extreme right-wing reactionary forces.

    Herskovitz seeks a niche in the Republican Party; this doesn’t mean that the party’s adherents as a whole—although I am no fan of its polices (this is not really the forum for that)—are evil people. And, on the other hand, Lyndon Larouche’s attempts to drive a Trojan horse into the camp of the Democratic Party certainly doesn’t mean Democrats are promulgators of hatred and deception. Let’s concentrate on the common enemy here: those out to destroy Israel—whether knowingly like Herskovitz or unwittingly like some so-called deluded “progressives.”

    —Mike of Ann Arbor

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

      The charge that we single out Israel because we are anti-semitic has been refuted endlessly. This article mostly summarizes my own beliefs on this issue: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/why-israel-is-singled-out.html

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

      anonymous: a few BDS ers are probably not antisemitic—just addled about middle east history and what 'cultural relativism ' actually was intended to mean ( which WASN'T that all value systems are equally meritorius, or, worse, that being a loser in wars one starts makes you even more virtuous!).

      But most are indeed hardcore antisemites, in calling for the abolition of the home of 1/3 of world jewry in supposed preference for the tender mercies of a binational state dominated by an arab majority who ain't too tender to each other let alone the long demonized “yahudi”.

      Even Holocaust trivializer Norman finklestein has come clean on this, and rejected BDS accordingly.

      As to herskovitz, he's a nazi as i know from first hand and which is readily verifiable from the FEH website's citation of Herr-skovitz' own “pearls of wisdom” and associations.

      don't try to kid a kidder ( who doesn't suffer fools gladly)!

      Scarlet p….

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

      p.s if you are phillip weiss of the eponymous 'mondoweiss':…YUCK!

      you and Herrskovitz—and Blaine Coleman, who posts on your rag as “boycott apartheid on campus”– deserve each other ( see his charming website , “Stop Raping Palestine/Fuck israel”, on the FEH site link)

      but none of the rest of us deserve you or intend to suffer you in passive silence!!

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 3:20 pm #

      The charge that anti-Israel people obsess over Israel when there is much worse going on in the world because they are antisemitic has not been refuted just because you have posted an article at an echo-chamber of a website called Mondoweiss.

      My favorite is when BDS idiots say something like “And now I'm going to be called antisemitic for criticizing policies of the Israeli government…” and then go on to spout the most traditional antisemitic propaganda that has nothing to do with the Israeli government, such as that Jews control the American government, or that Jews are Khazars. Hilarious!

      Great movement you've got there full of quality people, like this Herskovitz fellow.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 14, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

      Right on, Scarlet P. and Fizziks. There's a word to describe what Anon/MondoWeiss and others who cite their own rhetoric as “proof” of what they argue: tautological, and people like Henry Herskovitz, Philip Weiss, Blaine Coleman, etc. are nothing if not self-referencing.

      As an example, I paraphrase from a sign I once saw in front of a house of worship, “The wise men worshiped Johnny Jones therefore worship Johnny Jones.” And, it is just this sort of self-congratulatory argumentation (or citing only extremist material that just echoes one's own fuzzy brand of thinking), we see in Anon/MondowWeiss's trying (vainly) to distant himself from the prevalent antisemitism of BDS.

      And, unlike the others who try to run away from the very valid charge of being antisemitic, Herskovitz not only doesn't shrink from the charge, he relishes it. And that, my friends, is the true face of BDS.

      Some quotes from, and associations of, Chairman Heinrich will be found in my separate post below.

  15. Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 7:01 am #

    So many “mikes” and 'anonymi”….but basically it seems to come down to everyone vs “mike l”, who seems determined to be the proverbial lone jew on a desert island with 2 synagogues…one he wouln't set foot in.

    nice job of explicating our position, “mike of ann arbor”, and elaborating so eruditely on our shared hemorrhoid, Henry herskovitz ( annoying but not fatal, and invariably winding up in the crapper)… see you for dinner soon.

    scarlet p.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

      I look forward to it, Scarlet P., I look forward to it.

      Turn aside for a moment, as I'm about to go slightly off-topc:

      BTW, folks, since a lot of the rhetoric here, in Olympia, and Park Slope amounts to verbal food fights, Ann Arbor has some great restaurants and a wonderful food cooperative store in Kerrytown near the Farmer's Market and not far from the famed Zingernman's Deli and cafe. I refer, of course (back on topic), to the People's Food Co-op whose members (Scarlet P and I are proud to be counted among those) overwhelmingly rejected the BIGots' attempts to hijack the PFC with their anti-Israel agenda.

      Come visit sometime.

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

      My mom lives in Ann Arbor. Once on a visit, I made a special trip to that coop in Kerrytown just to reward them for rejecting BDS.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 15, 2012 at 3:58 am #

      That was a really nice thing to do, Fizziks. I hope you told the employees about why you were visiting. A number of them openly expressed their extreme distaste for the BIGots/BDSers and their tactics.

      Staff also thanked us for our dynamic campaign that resulted in the BIGots' overwhelming defeat.

      Some of the story of the spring of 2009 and Herskovitz's and Loucks' third failed attempt in a 1½ year time span to hijack the PFC with their run for its board including salvos—some rather humorous—between the two factions can be read at the live link from my name above or at

      http://arborupdate.com/article/1802/peoples-food-coop-elections

      and

      http://arborupdate.com/article/1809/peoples-food-coop-election-results

      Yes, I'm the same Mike who went toe-to-toe with the BIGots there. And, other valiant battlers using various screen names went at them, too.

      It's all rather long, but I present it for your reading or skimming “pleasure” at your own leisurely pace.

      I hate to brag (!?), but I'm rather proud (although it could sure use some editing, but then again it's not fiction) of _The Unauthorized but Highly Instructive Biography of Henry Herskovitz and His Cynical Campaign_ (item #137 on the first link). To whet your appetite, I said—among many other things—that:

      …Herskovitz is such a “shining example” of “peace, justice, and acceptance” that he and his gang of kowtowing hot air blowers cannot even tolerate the slightest dissension in their own ranks. Look no further than his poison pen website at

      http://www.a2vigil.org/vigilexch01.htm

      http://www.a2vigil.org/commissar.htm

      and

      http://www.a2vigil.org/incoherium.htm

      where HH and his cowardly storm troopers…lustily insult one of their own from the anti-Israel Not In My Name group who—in a rare display of reflection from one in this camp—calls Herskovitz out for what he is—a pathetic, self-serving egotist who thinks he’s the local edition of a rock star for leading this rubbish “protest” in reference to his tiny band of “brave” synagogue stalkers with whom he parades and struts around every Saturday in front of Ann Arbor’s Beth Israel Congregation…

    • fizziks August 15, 2012 at 6:33 am #

      Heh, I'm really glad you're fighting the fight out there. Ann Arbor is a really great town and it shouldn't have to deal with BDS at all, let alone a psycho like Herskovitz.

      Unfortunately that time I dropped into the coop I didn't mention the reason to any employees, or thank them for their stand. The reason was that I was with my mom then and she takes an unfortunate 'pox on both their houses' attitude with regard to I/P issues. I could just see the eye roll coming and I didn't want to deal with it.

      I'm working on her though, and she is starting to maybe come around to seeing these anti-Israel people as somewhat of the trash that they are. I had actually heard about Herskovitz before, from her, and she thinks he's a loon, although she is not fully aware of the extent of the depravity or the way that he is all too representative of the anti-Israel movement as a whole.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 15, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

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    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 15, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

      (There was a confusing typo in my previous attempt to post this, so I deleted that version myself; it was pretty much the same as this, so you didn't miss anything. Sorry for the confusion.)

      Thanks, Fizziks. I understand your hesitation about mentioning the topic in your mother's presence.

      My mother would be proud to hear about this if I took her to the Co-op, but she lives hundreds of miles away, so the chances of our going there on a visit are pretty slim. Anyway, keep working on your mom. It sounds like she's starting to come around.

      In many peoples' cases, Herskovitz has actually provided a valuable service as he has made “neutral” folks pro-Israel; turned many who were quietly pro-Israel before into staunch, outspoken supporters; and spurred already strong backers of the Jewish State into becoming even more adamant in their commitment to Israel. I once threw him for a loop when I thanked him for helping the Zionist cause by being the number one fundraiser for Israel in town!

    • fizziks August 15, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

      Heh, it is true that Herskovitz, by so poorly concealing his extremism, is probably doing more harm to BDS than help.

      I also do not doubt that some BDSers out there think that Herskovitz is a diabolical Macchiavellian Mosaad plant out to discredit them. They really are that paranoid.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 16, 2012 at 2:32 am #

      We've long thrown the secret Mossad agent thing in their face.

      Another service HH performs is making a number of the potential and actual anti-Israel types wary of taking more aggressive public stands as they don't want to be identified with him and his cult of fanatical monomaniacs.

      That said, there is a group on the U of M campus called SAFE (Students Allied for Freedom and Equality) who are only marginally less obsessed than the Herskovites as their only concern is “self-determination for the Palestinian people,” but Israel bashing is their true calling:

      http://www.umich.edu/~umsafe/

      We have taken them on via the electronic version of the local student newspaper, The Michigan Daily:

      http://www.michigandaily.com/search/apachesolr_search/Israel

      http://www.michigandaily.com/search/apachesolr_search/Israel%20SAFE

      If you look at the threads that SAFE initiated or on which they comment, you will find hypocritical, disingenuous Henry Herskovitz; foaming-at-the-mouth Blaine Coleman resorting to a number of aliases such as “Boycott Apartheid” and more recently the absurdly ironic “Morgan Freiheit;” his creepy, raging, out-of-control consort, toxic toxicologist, and apologist for her native Iran, Mozhgan Savabieasfahani who also changes screen names with alacrity and recently laughingly called herself “Racism No More;” a slimy, pedantic, sophomoric, factoid-hunting contrarian “Gus Kalekas;” and some other characters that are worthy of a sitcom whose main characters are racists, hate propagators, and bigots. No matter what alias they “hide” under, their syntax and vocabulary are unmistakeable.

      Please feel free to check the “Opinion” pages at

      http://www.michigandaily.com/opinion

      from time-to-time, and join in the fray. It's a good release, and these folks are really easy to parody and wind-up esp. Blaine the Insane. He and Mozhgan are truly a sight to behold. Photos (with hate signs; they're the ones who have a special affinity for swastikas) available to view at

      http://www.hvcn.org/info/feh/whatis.htm

  16. Ben August 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    This post seems to have drifted a little bit from the salient point about what a dead moose's infected rectum Henry H. truly is, so I wanted to paste on a link to an article that shows what he really believes:
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/04/26/the-role-of-jews-in-the-palestinian-solidarity-movement/
    And if you are asking “What does it say about a web site that hosts this brain-dead?”, well, let's just say Henry and Counterpunch are as perfectly-matched as Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat were in the fall of 1990.

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

      Good posts ben, but you defame mooses' recti in the comparison.

      So over the top anti- semitic is Herskovitz that his former hero—the editor of ELECTRONIC INTIFADA–has chastised him for making it difficult for BDS ers to maintain the fiction that BDS is merely anti 'zionist' but not antisemitic.

      Of course in typical Henry-esque fashion ( which is that of a petulant 12 year old sociopath) that former ally is now deemed an enemy… just as are more moderate israel critics in ann arbor who have ejected herskovitz from their assorted bliss -ninny “peace and justice-y” groups.

      We at Feh are indeed fortunate to have such easily stymieable enemies as our main local iterations of the BDS phenomenon.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 14, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

      You got that right, friend Anonymous. As does Ben.

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

      wow Ben I just looked at that Counterpunch article. I knew they were low, but I didn't know they were that low.

      They also had an article encouraging people not to vote.

  17. Ben August 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    Helpful tip here: the defintion of “refuted” is “proven false by factual analysis” and not “slapped down by obnoxious acolytes who rely on emotion and abstraction mixed with data with no context and information without any substance”. So as far as refuting one of the most damning factual criticisms of BDS, no, you haven't really come close to doing that. Keep up the, um, work though.

  18. Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    Oh, look, it's Volleyboy1.

    Gee, VB, shouldn't you be out there, somewhere, telling Jewish people where we may or may not be allowed to live in Jerusalem?

    Or perhaps you should be defaming innocent people by claiming that they're threatening your children?

    Or maybe you should be spreading hatred to your fellow Jews who choose to live in Judea?

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

      I see you haven't bothered to address the main refutation of your charges. You must have not seen it, so I'll just post it again below here. You're welcome.

      Above you say:

      In fact, it is entirely illiberal to tell other people what their identity is.

      And you have said similar things before.

      Now right here, we have a concrete distillation that you simply do not understand what liberalism is.

      Liberalism is a political philosophy and a set of political positions. It is not personality trait or a way of acting.

      I encourage you to read what I wrote above for a more thorough discussion of this.

      But what if your statement were in fact true? What if defining other people's identity for them were illiberal? Well, certainly you can't dispute that you have exactly done that ad nauseam here. You define BDS as leftists, and the BDS movement as a progressive movement. You define myself and others – even in opposition to our own self-identities – as anti-Israel (and in fact as “racists” as you put it on your own blog). And so on.

      So if what you said is in fact true – that defining others is illiberal – then you are most certainly not a liberal. Which would be self-evident except unfortunately you have claimed to be a liberal repeatedly in these comments.

      So certainly you must agree that elementary logic dictates that the following simply cannot simultaneously be true:

      1) It is illiberal to define others' political identity

      2) You are a liberal

      !

      So at least one of those two things that you have claimed must be false. Which one would would you like to disavow?

      Now I of course believe that BOTH of those contentions are false, because, as above, liberalism is a political philosophy and not a conversational disposition, and 2) you are a conservative.

      Furthermore, if you don't know what liberalism is, how can you charge “it” with harboring a particular offensive movement?

    • Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

      Why are you always wrong?

      Of course liberalism is a political philosophy, but that doesn't mean that behavior cannot be illiberal.

      And, yes, it is obviously illiberal to force an identity onto another person. I am not forcing a progressive identity on anti-Zionists because most anti-Zionists, such as Philip Weiss self-identify as progressive.

      Steven Plaut has posted an article about anti-Zionists that starts like this:

      Say What? Anti-Semites? Who, us anti-Zionists? US? We have nothing against Jews as such. We just hate Zionism and Zionists. We think Israel does not have a right to exist. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. Heavens to Mergatroyd. Marx Forbid. We are humanists. Progressives. Peace lovers.

      http://www.freeman.org/m_online/oct03/plaut1.htm

      Humanists. Progressives. Peace lovers.

      You continue to try to evade that which it is not possible for you to evade.

      You continue to try to deny that which is undeniable.

      It is not a coincidence that BDS is represented in progressive-left venues, because the anti-Zionists, themselves, so identify.

      For you to deny the obvious again and again and again, becomes tedious and shows me that you have very little regard for any truth that does not support your politics.

      On a daily basis we see anti-Zionist sentiment coming out of progressive venues, yet you want to say that it has nothing to do with the progressive movement.

      What self-serving hogwash.

      You cannot just wave some magic wand and make it disappear, which is what you are obviously trying to do. You do not like the fact anti-Zionism has created a home for itself within your own political movement and so you simply close your eyes and bury your head.

      You are in denial.

    • Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

      Oh, and btw, you still owe Jay an apology.

      You stood by and watched him get defamed and you did nothing.

      Where was your sense of basic human decency that you would let his character get unjustly dragged through the mud without standing up in his defense?

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

      But Mikey, what I just don't understand is why to you every time anti-Israelism rears its head among the left it is incontrovertible proof that it is of the left, but when it rears its head among the right – such as with this Herskovitz guy being a Republican, or Ron Paul's 40% in Virginia, etc – it just doesn't matter. Can you explain this inconsistency to me?

      Also, you have again demonstrated that you don't understand what liberalism is. It is not a standard or mode of behavior. It is simply not, Mikey. That is some nonsense that you blindly parroted from oldschool. It was incorrect nonsense then and it is incorrect nonsense now. You can't try to ponitificate on these matters if you fundamentally don't understand them.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

      Hi Captain Israel.. Still ditching out on discussion are you. It's like fizziks (or I for that matter) could type 8y986798 and you would simply keep repeating your nonsense over, and over, and over, again. I get that you do not really understand the subject or the issues. I get that you are completely uninformed but that is no real excuse for your constant silliness. Really it's not.

      Gee, VB, shouldn't you be out there, somewhere, telling Jewish people where we may or may not be allowed to live in Jerusalem?

      Who's “we”, Mike? You don't live in Jerusalem or Israel. Will you be making Aliyah at some point soon? Do you even know what “Aliyah” is? But to answer your question Mike, no, I won't be telling Israelis where they can live inside the borders of Israel.

      Or perhaps you should be defaming innocent people by claiming that they're threatening your children?

      I didn't realize that Jay's attempt to “out” me on the internet constituted anything that had to do with a discussion on BDS, faux liberalism or the Occupation. But I see since you are getting crushed in this argument why you would want to bring that back up.

      Or maybe you should be spreading hatred to your fellow Jews who choose to live in Judea?

      Oh so now I spread “hatred” for the people in the settlements? AHAHAHAHAHA Wow… seriously? Somehow, opposing the continued march towards an undemocratic Israel and support for the Olmert plan means I hate the settlers? ROFLMAO.

      Mike, you are becoming a joke. You are so blinded by your tunnel vision and self declared role as arbiter of Jewishness that you simply are rendering your commentary as meaningless.

    • Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

      Mike L. seems to be a troll, out to detract/ distract from a real world , substantively loaded and illustrative case study, with his repeated nonsensical and red herringy riffs on bogus 'right vs. left” themes.

      I regret feeding into this cynical effort as much as i did.

      To return to the Herskovite case: it is worth regarding the FEH approach ( linked in the original article and elsewhere on this thread ) as one sort of template for anti BDS efforts: i.e stopping the movement at the local level by getting to know and target local proponants of it who no doubt can be shown to possess some absurdities ( albeit perhaps not as glaring as the Herskovites' , who are a veritable freakshow that is all but unique).

      It should also be noted that within FEH is a strike force of resolute web moniters and letter writers who let no comment by local BDSers go unchallenged ( at least on our primary local media), and who also lobby editors etc who might give a forum to hatemongers…

      the consequence has been a radical drop off ( and in 2 cases actual banning) of BDS postings from such sites.

      feel free to contact us via our site.

      Scarlet p. for FEH ( 'facilitating the eviction of Herskovites” and also a yiddish expression of disgust)

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

      You have some nerve, volleyboy. Even a number of your friends have acknowledged to me in private that your desperate smear attempt on my character was (and still is) simply pathetic.

      You don't like me, and I don't like you. That much is obvious. If you'd like to do so at your angry, intolerant little blog that nobody reads, then that's fine with me. I still think it's a little weird, but whatever. But don't you dare drag my good name and my reputation through the mud here.

      What you need to do is stop dragging fights and personal grudges onto a blog which you weren't even aware existed until fizziks and I told you about it a few months ago, and if you can't behave then take your petty, vicious abrasiveness elsewhere. Have some respect for the work Jon Haber does here, and for those of us who are longtime regular contributors.

      Shame on you. You don't have an ounce of integrity or basic human decency in your entire body, do you?

    • Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

      Fizziks responds thus:

      But Mikey, what I just don't understand is why to you every time anti-Israelism rears its head among the left it is incontrovertible proof that it is of the left, but when it rears its head among the right – such as with this Herskovitz guy being a Republican, or Ron Paul's 40% in Virginia, etc – it just doesn't matter. Can you explain this inconsistency to me?

      Also, you have again demonstrated that you don't understand what liberalism is. It is not a standard or mode of behavior. It is simply not, Mikey. That is some nonsense that you blindly parroted from oldschool. It was incorrect nonsense then and it is incorrect nonsense now. You can't try to ponitificate on these matters if you fundamentally don't understand them.

      Can I explain the apparent inconsistency? Of course.

      It is for two reasons. The first reason is that I come out of the political left and therefore feel a greater responsibility for toxins that come out of that movement.

      The second reason is that obvious one that it is the progressive-left, not the political right, that serves as the primary base of anti-Semitic anti-Zionism in the west today.

      As for this other stuff, I never claimed that liberalism is strictly a mode of behavior. It is, as you say, a political ideology that derives from the Enlightenment centered on the freedom and rights of the individual.

      But the only question that I am concerned with here is whether or not the progressive-left, as a movement, is the home of contemporary western anti-Semitic anti-Zionism.

      That you refuse to acknowledge the obvious on this question, plus your need to use “Mikey” in a demeaning fashion, shows me that you do not really care about the truth.

      The truth is that your political movement, the progressive-left, is the source of anti-Semitic anti-Zionism and you just cannot bring yourself to face it.

      You will demean me, and Jews who live in Judea, but you will not acknowledge that which is right in front of your nose.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

      ROLFMAO Jay….

      You wrote:

      What you need to do is stop dragging fights and personal grudges onto a blog which you weren't even aware existed until fizziks and I told you about it a few months ago, and if you can't behave then take your petty, vicious abrasiveness elsewhere. Have some respect for the work Jon Haber does here, and for those of us who are longtime regular contributors.

      Ummm Jay… I didn't bring the issue of your attempted outing of me up here, Mike L. did. Perhaps you didn't notice the time stamp. But let me help you here. Here is Mike's time stamp with this comment:

      Mike L.August 14, 2012 11:16 AM

      Or perhaps you should be defaming innocent people by claiming that they're threatening your children?

      and here is my response TWO HOURS LATER asking him why he even brought that up here…

      volleyboy1August 14, 2012 1:20 PM

      I didn't realize that Jay's attempt to “out” me on the internet constituted anything that had to do with a discussion on BDS, faux liberalism or the Occupation.

      So if you notice Jay, I responded to Mike two hours later with an admonition not to bring that stuff here as we were discussing BDS, Faux Liberalism, and the Occupation.

      I am sorry you have difficulty understanding what I have written or what timestamps actually mean but, honestly Jay – that is not my problem.

      Also, Jay… what does this have to do with anything being discussed here when you say:

      You have some nerve, volleyboy. Even a number of your friends have acknowledged to me in private that your desperate smear attempt on my character was (and still is) simply pathetic.

      Yeah… I bet. My “friends” never said anything like that to me and if they were my “friends” they wouldn't.

      You and Mike L. seem to be the ones that want to have this discussion here. Frankly, I don't, so why don't you first admonish your friend Mike L. for bringing it up, and then why don't you go stand in front of a mirror and lecture yourself about integrity – should be an interesting conversation.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

      Serious question, volleyboy – why are you completely incapable of behaving like a respectful grown-up online?

      Just drop it. We both know you're absolutely full of it, as does everybody else who is aware of your little fantasy, and beyond that it's just lame. And frankly, rather creepy and stalker-ish that you're doing it again.

      What Mike brought up and what you're doing now are two completely different things. I wish it wouldn't have come up at all, but Mike rightly called it out as the character defamation that it was (and is), while here you are perpetuating the bs again.

      Here I am on a day off, geeking out on my transit planning blogs, and now I find myself dragged in and having to address your bully tactics on one of the rare I-P-related sites whose comment sections generally rise above the juvenile detention facility basketball court environment people like you foster.

      I'd return the favor re: ridiculous character smears, but why bother? You do a marvelous job ensuring most people (even your ideological allies) who get to know you end up disliking you, and not taking you seriously, all on your own, simply by being your usual sneering, loathsome self.

      Go watch a funny movie, or head out to a good restaurant or something. The constant anger and aggression which emanates from you is truly astounding, and I'm pretty sure it can't be good for you.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

      And of course none of your friends will say to *you* that you're wrong. They realize how unhinged you are, and they don't want to be subject to blogstalking and disgusting public smears on their character.

      As far as knowing what words mean, perhaps you may want to read your comments again, and then realize that maybe you should have said something like – “I didn't bring the issue of my sick smear on JayinPhiladelphia up here, Mike L. did.

      Then at least you would have been half-honest.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

      Even Funnier Jay… Given your post which contains a number of nonsensical attacks (including a “stalking” comment which complete bullshit, Finishes with this comment:

      Go watch a funny movie, or head out to a good restaurant or something. The constant anger and aggression which emanates from you is truly astounding, and I'm pretty sure it can't be good for you.

      You um… may want to take your own advice here Jay.

      Just sayin'

      As for your second ridiculous comment… Jay… I am not the one that is “unhinged” as your behavior here is clearly illustrating.

      Again, you are the one that seems to want to keep this meme going. I don't but hey Jay, have at it.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

      I don't know what's worse. That you can't see how you continued to lie about me, or that you expect/ed me to remain silent about it and simply let it pass once you charged in here, onto a blog I've never seen you at before, to continue to assassinate my character.

      I did not enter this discussion until you again made your ludicrous claim against me. I am pretty sure I am not the only person here who would refuse to sit by silently, while an e-bully brought his crusade against them onto yet another website.

      For those who don't know volleyboy1, he has accused at least four (4) people I'm aware of, of threatening his children. He deals largely in defamation, and is a textbook example of almost everything that is wrong with 'discussion' on the internet.

      To paraphrase something some dude from Illinois once said. When you stop telling lies about me, I'll stop telling the truth about you. You stepped in it yourself, but you're free to back out at any time. I sure hope that's what you're doing here, for once.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

      Jay… You do realize you continue to look foolish.

      I don't know what's worse. That you can't see how you continued to lie about me

      I am not lying about you Jay. You published something about what you think I did for a living along with a demographic breakdown of where I live. Anyone with any knowledge of how to use Teh Google could put two and two together. You knew what you were doing when you hopped the crazy train here Jay. AND please tell me what I may or may not do for a living has any relevance to this specific discussion.

      Please show examples of this:

      For those who don't know volleyboy1, he has accused at least four (4) people I'm aware of, of threatening his children.

      Again Jay:

      I did not enter this discussion until you again made your ludicrous claim against me.

      Err no.. Mike made a claim that I “defamed” you and then also brought this up to fizziks in the next comment. Two hours LATER I responded. I am sorry that you can't wrap your head around the fact that Mike L. brought this into the discussion NOT me.

      Then you say this:

      You stepped in it yourself, but you're free to back out at any time. I sure hope that's what you're doing here, for once.

      Heh… You want to keep spreading lies about me – well that's up to you, but, I can go all day defending myself if need be. again…. This could be dropped if you just drop it. But you certainly don't get the last word particularly when it is a lie.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

      Okay. A certain Swedish architect at Daily Kos, someone whose username initials are CW, me and Mike L. Those are just four people who you've claimed have threatened your children, just over the past year. I realize you probably forgot about some of them, what with your using that tactic so often.

      And I don't know about you, but if I was truly worried somebody was going to 'out me,' I would not continually engage with them, and follow them around the internet. Yes, a reference to volleyball about a guy named volleyboy is certainly an attempted outing. Excuse me while I go roll my eyes for a week or two.

      I noted that I believe your constant tendency to call everyone who disagrees with you a 'racist' may have some projection-type qualities to it, considering that you may be feeling the need to assuage some guilt about your own lifestyle choices.

      You've given away (and still do give away) massive amounts of personal information on your very public Daily Kos profile. These are not the actions of somebody who is worried that multiple people are coming after his family. Rather, it proves that you're full of crap. As usual.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

      And also, fizziks did what you should have done. Ignored the remark, as it's not relevant here. When you dragged me into it, is when I could remain silent no longer.

      For the record, I have absolutely no problem with fizziks, he knows this, and I would guess the feeling is mutual.

      The environment here is not the primary school cafeteria food-fight environment of your blog. This whole thread sucks, as do most of our exchanges elsewhere recently.

      I'm sorry everybody has to see this whole thing, but I will not stand to be bullied and smeared by online tyrants in the comments section of one of my favorite blogs. I can ignore many lies about me, but I will not stand to be smeared in this manner.

  19. JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

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  20. volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    AHAHAHAHA Jay… you are way off the deep end here buddy.

    Let's see:

    Okay. A certain Swedish architect at Daily Kos, someone whose username initials are CW, me and Mike L.

    First off, Borkitekt called Paul a “Child Molester” (a charge which was completely false) and then said that I – the father of two boys associated with him. What do you call that Jay?

    Second, no one named CW threatened my kids and neither did someone named CM. Not sure where you are getting that from.

    Third, YOU indeed tried to “out” me by attempting to tie an alleged job with an exact geographic location, and Mike kept your little crazed screed up on his site despite my asking politely that he take it down.

    And I don't know about you, but if I was truly worried somebody was going to 'out me,' I would not continually engage with them, and follow them around the internet.

    What??? Are you nuts (well yeah… but) I didn't engage you and have not engaged you since your epic flip out months ago. Jay…. look at the comments here Jay, YOU ENGAGED ME. I hadn't said a word to you until you decided to get nutty here.

    Oh and following you around the intertoobs… Are you fucking kidding me. What in G-d's name are you talking about, you crazy person. Show me one comment where I directed anything to you before you decided to engage.

    You've given away (and still do give away) massive amounts of personal information on your very public Daily Kos profile.

    My DKos profile says I am a Sales Manager in CA. and that I practice Krav Maga, play volleyball and enjoy snowboarding. What it doesn't do is tell people WHAT business I am in and what the exact demographic of the town I live in. So please cut the bullshit. You fool no one.

    And also, fizziks did what you should have done. Ignored the remark, as it's not relevant here. When you dragged me into it, is when I could remain silent no longer.

    Calling Bullshit here Jay. MIKE should have never made the remark he did and to think I wouldn't defend that is absolutely stupid. You should take your own advice here Jay and should have ignored it, particularly as your friend started this whole thing.

    But, Jay, tell you what. How about neither of us talk to each other or discuss this incident. I am not however going to let your bullshit stand. SO… either cut it out or not. I personally think there are better things to talk about. I would hope you do too.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

      You really just can't help yourself, can you? I'd add up the lies in this novella-length screed you just wrote, but why bother? The basic rule of thumb to go by is that volleyboy1 is lying whenever his keypad is being struck. You are simply allergic to telling the truth, it's quite a sight to behold.

      I suppose you also haven't quoted me on your blog, from things I've said elsewhere, without attribution, while labeling my words that of “the lunatic fringe.” Which is the precise kind of example of a chuckle-worthy smear which I can ignore. But not this bull again. I will not stand for that.

      You charged on here in your usual bully fashion, saw an opportunity to smear one of your (numerous – one doesn't have to look far to realize why you have so many) 'enemies' again, while at the same time also an opportunity to have a brand new audience pity poor you.

      It's a truly lame act, but hey. This is the internet, after all. And I sure shouldn't be surprised by now when you act like this. I actually do pity you in a way, but certainly not in the way you continually attempt to manipulate others into.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

      Also, perhaps it's time to finally fix that caps lock button of yours? We can literally see your screws coming loose, the more you type.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

      Too funny Jay… Here is something even you can laugh about:

      You really just can't help yourself, can you?

      I was going to say the same thing to you in my response to you… That is pretty funny.

      Still I think it applies….

      Anyway, Jay – I didn't attribute your hypocritical craziness to you because I felt that just saying the quotes are from the “the Lunatic Fringe” was enough. I didn't think people needed to see just how nutty you are.

      As for the rest of your pathetic screed please elaborate on all my lies here in this commentary. I think it is funny that I quoted you directly from words you have written and you call that “lying” but really enough of this.

      Oh and hey…

      when you say this:

      Also, perhaps it's time to finally fix that caps lock button of yours? We can literally see your screws coming loose, the more you type.

      is this:

      The constant anger and aggression which emanates from you is truly astounding, and I'm pretty sure it can't be good for you.

      You know what Jay… this is a goofy conversation. You keep making stupid charges, I keep refuting them and making you look like the lunatic you are.

      I am not sure why you want to keep doing this but hey “Kol HaKavod”.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

      Readers will note that this guy who claims not to engage me, and who claims to be petrified that multiple people are coming after his family, 1) continues to engage me and 2) gives out personal information about himself online.

      I was once unaware that it was possible for any given person's credibility to drop below zero, but that was before I (quite unfortunately) came to know volleyboy1.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

      And this (pardon me, I missed it the first time as I only scan your novels now) -

      “What it doesn't do is tell people WHAT business I am in and what the exact demographic of the town I live in.”

      Who on earth ever said anything about “what business you're in” or “what the exact demographic of the town you live in?” I don't even have the information on the latter, and I don't even know the former.

      However, since you continue to insist that my volleyball joke was a serious, serious outing, I would have assumed that you wouldn't have made public comments like this numerous times.

      Now that, my friend, is a refutation of a false smear.

      Volleyboy1, consider yourself officially exposed as an unconscionable liar with absolutely zero scruples. Are you finished embarrassing yourself yet?

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

      LOL Jay… Grow up. I am not petrified of anyone, and certainly not you.

      Heh… too funny.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

      I am not the one typing in teenage texting acronyms, currently making comments that are half a step away from calling oneself rubber, and others glue.

      I am merely, quite ably I'd add, defending my reputation from a known smear artist who must have been hit with a restraining order by The Concept of Truth.

      Once agan, you're free to quit embarrassing yourself, and step out of your own mess, at any time.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 10:10 pm #

      LOL Jay.. you just keep me laughing.

      You are failing miserably Jay. You never once addressed why posting where I live in exact demographic terms coupled allegedly with exactly what I did (as the two are easy to put together with help from Teh Google) had anything to do with my posting about Israel and in favor of President Obama.

      You really need to grow up Jay. Just give it up. You tried to “out” me and got busted. Tough break there sunshine.

      Oh and speaking of speaking like a “teen”, Jay you might want to look in the mirror. I am not the one talking about “friends” who like or dislike me. Or how very popular you are (which is pretty funny to see these rants).

      Here's a hint… you're not in high school anymore.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

      Amazingly enough, the proven liar just can't let go of his sick attempts to smear me.

      Don't be angry with me because you stepped in way over your head here. I am not one of your little friends at the Daily Kos sandbox.

      If you want to be mad at anyone, take it out on your chortling buddies who I'm sure you were delighting with tales of your adventures here, who should have seen what was coming, and advised you to stay in your own league. And if any did give you that advice, you should have taken it.

      You have nobody but yourself to blame. Accept some responsibility for once. If you would have only admitted you were a liar hours ago, you could have avoided being repeatedly made a fool of.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

      And I am sorry, but I am also unwilling to 'address' figments of your imagination.

      What will you think of next?

      And what on earth does the president have to do with anything here? You know, the guy I also voted for and am voting for again?

      First rule of holes, volleyboy. Seriously.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

      AHAHAHAHA of course you wouldn't want to address facts. Anyway, keep going Jay.

      Oh as far as the President – WHOOSH … what was that… you missing the point? Yep.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 10:40 pm #

      And just a few minutes after he apologizes below for his admittedly immature behavior, the Energizer Bunny of Trolling comes right back for more, furiously moving goalposts, and caps-lock blazin' as always.

      Volleyboy1 rides again.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

      Jay, you are being silly here. scarlet p. is absolutely right and it is important that someone keep an “eye on the ball”. Now if you want to continue along on your merry way – with your ridiculous slurs to distract from the real issue. That's fine.

      Jay, I am not angry at humiliating you here. The fact that you don't understand the politics of this and simply have to resort to name calling is just what it is and now, it is pretty evident for all to see. You can look at my posts with everyone but you and see substance filled remarks, OR you can look at your crazy screeds.

      I am amused that you think you accomplished something here but, hey more power to you if that is the delusion you want to maintain.

      So keep on keepin' on Jay. You're doing great.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 11:27 pm #

      Don't you dare lecture me on the behavioral norms here. I've been a reader at this site for about two years now, and a regular contributor for about one. You just showed up less than a day ago, to further spread your vicious grudge against me.

      You project so much, volleyboy1, you can singlehandedly revive the drive-in movie theater industry in America.

      Hopefully one day you'll realize that your two or three sycophants from other blogs don't actually reflect the opinion of reasonable people, and that your behavior generally ranges from appalling to atrocious at all times.

      “The fact that you don't understand the politics of this and simply have to resort to name calling”

      What? Are you sure you're even replying to me on the right site now? I'll put my credentials on fighting BDS against yours any day of the week.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

      And as far as this goes…

      “You can look at my posts with everyone but you and see substance filled remarks”

      …two things.

      1. You surely realized you were caught at trolling, and decided you'd better make some substantive comments quickly to point at. You're nt fooling anyone there.

      2. Congratulations on not accusing others here of committing a felony. Yet. Pardon me while I slow clap for your magnificent achievement there.

      Meanwhile, I have a record of dozens and dozens of comments here, without ever being involved in something like this. You, on the other hand, are off to quite an 'auspicious' start here.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

      oooh Jay.. “Don't I dare….” ooooh soo tough…Heh.

      Again… caught lying:

      You just showed up less than a day ago, to further spread your vicious grudge against me.

      Is that what I was doing Jay? Hmmm I guess the timestamps of comments don't mean anything to you. Again, until your buddy Mike brought up your intended “outing” of me I didn't say a word to or about you. The time stamps don't lie Jay but you do.

      What? Are you sure you're even replying to me on the right site now? I'll put my credentials on fighting BDS against yours any day of the week.

      I won't even get into which one of us is more knowledgeable on I.P. but all I can say is good luck there.

      But here is where you completely FAIL (notice the CAPS Jay)…

      1. You surely realized you were caught at trolling, and decided you'd better make some substantive comments quickly to point at. You're nt fooling anyone there.

      To repeat myself Jay… Time stamps. Just read the Time Stamps. You might actually find that it was you and Mike that started this little shindig. Oh and if you don't know what Time Stamps are… they are the date and time that follow a posters name. You might familiarize yourself with them.

      Meanwhile, I have a record of dozens and dozens of comments here, without ever being involved in something like this. You, on the other hand, are off to quite an 'auspicious' start here.

      Then you should probably not give in to your juvenile hatred here Jay. No one asked Mike to bring this whole thing up or for you to comment regarding that. You will notice that before Mike said a word there was nothing concerning you. Of course you won't notice that because it completely destroys your paranoid argument but still….

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 15, 2012 at 12:17 am #

      Readers will note volleyboy1 can't even tell the truth about the timing and introduction of his disgusting smear against me.

      For all the lecturing you do to others on reading timestamps and following threads, one would think you'd at least be able to do so yourself, and that you'd be able to realize that Mike and I are two different people. Then again, expecting you not to brazenly lie like a rug is simply an exercise in futility.

      I'm even getting a little embarrassed for you here, volleyboy. Just a little.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 15, 2012 at 2:21 am #

      And well, if nothing else, we have at least established tonight that your relationship with truth can sometimes put the 'fun' in dysfunctional.

      Frankly, it's rather interesting that you've chosen a thread about this vile Henry Herskovitz character to put on this epic performance. You and he are simply two flip sides of the very same coin, at least personality and tactics-wise.

      You may think you've 'won' by getting the last word here (which out of respect for everyone else on this site I'll soon grant you), when in reality I have gleefully bookmarked this thread, as it is all I ever need to point to again the next time you harass and defame me. Or anyone else, for that matter. For the purpose of speaking to your character and integrity, or more accurately, the total and utter lack thereof.

      Volleyboy1 rides again, a classic performance. The last word, have at it. But try not to yell too loud, as I have an early day tomorrow, and a lot of other people are also going to sleep here on the East Coast. Perhaps a somewhat judicious use of the shift key would be more appropriate than caps-blazin' at this late hour. If I didn't know any better, I would absolutely refuse to believe that you are actually a grown man, rather than a teen who's just discovered the joy of trolling blogs and message boards.

      If you can behave, I think I speak for all of us when I say that it would be nice to see you become a regular contributor from now on. But history tells me this won't be the case. On the behaving, or on the sticking around and contributing constructively to a community whose comment section seeks to, and most of the time successfully does, rise above the level of discourse one would expect from a Romper Room cast mate thrown off the show for one too many temper tantrums.

      I truly hope tomorrow is a better day for you, and that even if it isn't, you at least don't take it out on another innocent person.

    • volleyboy1 August 15, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

      Jay, you are seriously delusional.

  21. Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    If you look beyond the personal smears and the general nastiness of this thread, it is clear that the question in need of answering is this one:

    Has the progressive-left, as a political movement, made of itself the primary home of anti-Semitic anti-Zionism and, thus, BDS, in the west today?

    On my blog, Oldschooltwentysix gave a very concise answer to that question:

    oldschooltwentysix

    August 14, 2012 11:36 AM

    BDS was born at the 2001 NGO World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance, in Durban.

    That was NOT a conglomeration of Rightists, but those from the opposite pole.

    He is, of course, correct.

    Does this mean that every “progressive” is an anti-Zionist?

    Of course, not.

    Does it mean that anti-Zionists are not to be found on the right?

    Again, of course, not.

    But it is unquestionably the case that the progressive-left is the primary home of anti-Semitic anti-Zionism in the west today.

    You can fight and squabble and demean one another until the cows come home, but it will change the obvious truth.

    School hit the nail on the head.

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 9:52 pm #

      I think baby steps of progress are actually being made here.

      Yesterday you insisted that in fact the Democratic party was the ideological base of BDS, and also that you yourself were a liberal. You seem to have since then dropped both of those transparently absurd claims, so I'll call that enough progress for now and we'll save the rest for another time.

    • Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

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    • Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

      Again, you are mistaken.

      I have never claimed that the Democratic Party, as a whole, was the ideological base of BDS.

      What I always said was that the grassroots / netroots of the Democratic party represented a home for anti-Semitic anti-Zionism.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 10:01 pm #

      Not quite Mike.

      The Durban “racist fest” (2001) DID call for a total boycott of products between all nations and Israel. However, that was neither the first time anyone called for that, nor would it be the last.

      For instance the Arab League in 1948 ALSO called for a full boycott of all Jewish businesses in Mandatory Palestine coupled with an official boycott after the 1948 War of Independence.

      I would hardly call the Arab League or nations in 1948 examples of the “Progressive Left”.

      According to both Wiki and the BDS page – BDS was begun in 2005 with a call by the Palestinians to offer a Boycott, Sanctions and Divestment from Israel

      Here is where they say 2005: http://www.bdsmovement.net/call

      There is no mention of Durban on that page.

      Your assertion (via Oldschool) is simply not true.

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

      In the same way that a broken clock is still right twice a day, Mike L. is actually right about the Durban thing.

      Although BDS tries to cover it up, their movement was launched at Durban. Then it went dormant for a few years and since then they've tried to claim otherwise, but as Jon has documented at this blog, BDS was launched at Durban.

      But it doesn't really matter in the context of whether BDS is right, left, or otherwise.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

      Question Fiz, and maybe Jon can follow-up on that. Isn't the call at Durban a mere re-iteration of the Arab League Boycott of 1948 (and on)?

      If it was not can you guys provide some background on it. I mean here is the Declaration in Durban http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/WCAR2001/NGOFORUM/Palestinans.htm

      which while having some similarities are not the same as BDS. If you have something though where BDS is called by Palestinian Civil Society there, I would like to see it.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 10:26 pm #

      Oh also to add… While the Conference at Durban was supposedly coming out of the “Left” was it really. I think one can make the case that Rightists were also involved (I mean what Arab Government is particularly interested in “progressive” values).

      I think as scarlet says – Right or Left… no matter it is just about the alliances the two have formed.

    • Mike L. August 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

      It's really quite a shame that you absolutely refuse to face the obvious.

      Is Helen Thomas right-wing?

      Is Alice Walker right-wing?

      The people who spear-head BDS, in the west, generally come out of the political left.

      This is all that I am trying to establish and it is so obviously the case that only the most ideologically blinkered partisans would even bother arguing otherwise.

      Everybody who cares about this issue knows it, fizziks.

      It's hardly even a question at this point and the only reason that I insist upon it is because you, and some people like you, apparently, continue to deny the undeniable.

      What you need to be thinking about, perhaps, is working to reform your political movement so that it does not remain a home for political anti-Zionism.

      The last thing that you should be doing is pretending that the problem does not exist in your political home.

      I'm sorry, but it does.

    • fizziks August 14, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

      Mike, for now I'm just going to be happy that you've stopped claiming the left as your political movement, and also that you've dialed it back from BDS being the province of specifically the Democratic party to the more nebulous “left”. That's enough for one day.

    • Jen August 15, 2012 at 2:40 am #

      Mike L. wrote
      “But it is unquestionably the case that the progressive-left is the primary home of anti-Semitic anti-Zionism in the west today.”

      OK. All of Zionist America votes for Republicans and denounces Democrats, and then Israel is saved for eternity. Right?

  22. Anonymous August 14, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    Mike L…if you can get off your rhetorical looptape merry go round, here are some actual facts:

    Political labels are merely words , not substance, and while it is true indeed that alot of BDS antisemites preen in the self- labels of “progressive”, 'human rights' and “peace” a look at the FEH site alone reveals that their ACTUAL alliances and ideologies are with the “rightest” of people and groups, from the homophobic Phelps family cult, to Jihadist fundamentalists to David Duke….united only by their antisemitism.

    The most elementary political/linguistic analysis indicates that ideologies are far more circular than linear and one can be “so far left they're right” or vice versa ( e.g Baathist 'secular 'arabs who idolize Hitler and Stalin).

    You ( and a few others ) really have wasted alot of time and space here that could have cut to the chase and emphasized common goals on real strategies to combat BDS… at least I tried.

    scarlet p.

    • volleyboy1 August 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

      scarlet… you are right when you say this:

      You ( and a few others ) really have wasted alot of time and space here that could have cut to the chase and emphasized common goals on real strategies to combat BDS… at least I tried.

      I am one of those with my sophomoric argument with Jay. For that I apologize. You not only tried but did a great job making the case for FEH.

      Just wanted to say that. Thanks for keeping an eye out and keeping focus on the “ball” so to speak.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 14, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

      'Sophomoric' requires a minimal amount of thought, reason and logic, volleyboy1. The 'argument' above to which you refer is simply me defending myself from a known smear artist.

      To equate my participation here with yours is to criticize the police officer who tackles an armed robber for damaging the petunias.

    • Sylvia August 15, 2012 at 2:00 am #

      Scarlet p.
      Check this thread every so often. The trolls who hijacked it – and the one before it – will get tired, eventually.

    • JayinPhiladelphia August 15, 2012 at 2:29 am #

      I will conclude, by noting one final time that my blogging identity and my real identity are intrinsically linked, and I will not sit silently by while a stalker once again follows me onto a new website and falsely accuses me of a felony. Particularly now, at a time when actions like this can compromise my future employment prospects.

      Honestly, I wouldn't object to an admin delete of the entire thread above. In fact, I would welcome it. But I will not apologize for defending my reputation in the face of a sustained, vicious personal attack.

      I don't expect you to know any of the history here, and I certainly didn't ask for any of this. I'm also pretty sure I'm not the only one who wouldn't appreciate, or stand for, being treated this way. After all, what are we doing here aside from standing up to BDSers? Don't be surprised then, when some of us also stand up to aggressive, persistent character assassins and bullies of another sort.

  23. Stop BDS Park Slope August 15, 2012 at 4:11 am #

    Hey Ann Arbor Crowd -

    As one Coop BDS opposer to another, I say you guys are just awesome. And you keep your sense of humor, too!

    Your crazies are much worse than our crazies.

    Has the synagogue tried to get a restraining order to get these nuts to keep their distance?

    Let's all celebrate another BDS failure. Sacramento voted to become a Sister City with Ashkelon.

    Nycerbarb

    • fizziks August 15, 2012 at 5:27 am #

      Excellent news about Sacramento!

      Do you have a link?

    • The Stop BDS Team August 15, 2012 at 11:29 am #

      Here it is:

      Sister Cities – Sacramento Bee

      Sister Cities – JTA

      Nycerbarb

    • Anonymous August 15, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

      thanks for being in touch with feh, nycerbarb…we'll communicate in more detail soon.

      scarlet p.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 16, 2012 at 3:11 am #

      Nycerbarb, it's great to hear from you. Your work to crush the hate promulgators in Park Slope is truly admirable!

      I think it would be marvelous if all of us sane and level-headed people who don't tolerate the toxicity emanating from the BDS camp united in fighting it together wherever it rears its ugly head and also compared strategies and developed new ones as needed.

      Yes, we do have unique psychopaths running rampant around Ann Arbor.

      My understanding is that the synagogue has exhausted every legal avenue to evict the scum who picket them, but to no avail.

      Apparently, the First Amendment's free speech clause still trumps its clause on freedom of religion. I believe in freedom of speech wholeheartedly, except when it interferes with people's right to freely worship in peace and tranquility without fear of hatred, harassment, and intimidation, which is exactly what the Herskovites are doing. It's way past the point of ridiculous! I mean, nearly ten years!

      The congregation's members have shown unbelievable and admirable restraint in the face of such shameless stalking, but it's more than high time to take very aggressive, but legal, action and get these sick clowns away from this Jewish house of worship.

      Had this been going on at a church or mosque I guarantee it would have ended long ago and not have been allowed to get so out of hand.

      Anyway, thank you for the wonderful news from Sacramento!

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 16, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

      In looking at the Sacramento Bee article, I noticed that there were a number of comments from the anti-Israel crowd but mostly from people who just thought that this wasn't the business of the city council.

      There was one horrible, raging ungrammatical antisemite on there using the screen name “jcksweat.” I reported his remarks as abusive, and somebody openly asked the Bee if they countenance hate speech. I think more people should look at the offensive comments by “jcksweat” and report them as abuse. They were still up a few minutes ago.

  24. Rebecca August 15, 2012 at 4:13 am #

    Jon – could you please take control of this thread? The post was very interesting but the commenting has devolved into a flame war.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 15, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

      I agree! As someone who obviously has a stake in this conversation as I live in Ann Arbor and, along with Scarlet P. and others who have commented here and beyond, I welcome further discussion on how to combat the evil that Henry Herskovitz spawned. The most pernicious of his cult's activities, of course, is the decade-long siege of Beth Israel Congregation. Please, for the love of Mike (pun intended), let's try to stay on topic, folks! Please help, Jon!

  25. Anonymous August 15, 2012 at 10:15 am #

    FEH IN ACTION:

    although this otherwise good article and thread was somewhat hijacked by 3 flamers having at each other (one of whom commendably apologized..accepted VB!) hopefully others have some ideas, based on the Ann Arbor model, as to how useful anti BDS fun can be had at the expense of what seem to be our common enemies ( the 1 pro BDS post here aside).

    FYI here is henry Herskovitz latest masturbatory blog , (which only he and his few supporters get to comment on):

    http://blog.deiryassin.org/

    Nonetheless one of our Feh members sent him a comment ,that he'll see, directing him to the current “divest This” thread and article and noting , in response to 'dave' ( probably henry himself) ,who likens henry to a biblical prophet, that other prophets are hoping 'the book of henry' soon joins their canon in the 'prophets book and pinochle club' and that it contains henry's legendary “cheeseburger epiphany”.

    the post was signed “isaiah”, and even though it wont appear on the blog , Herskoshits will see it, and it wont improve his day ,given his current war with his neighbors ( also on his blog).

    cheers to all who expressed good wishes to FEH's efforts..

    scarlet p.

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 15, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

      Thanks, Scarlet P, for your valuable and helpful remarks and the link to one of Henry Herskovitz's main hate sites. As you can clearly see, Herskovitz is no more, no less than a rabid antisemite of the neo-Nazi variety.

      Unlike many other BDSers who try desperately to run from the epithet when wearing their PR face, Herr Herskovitz never masks his virulent hatred for Jews.

      OK, some BDSers genuinely don't _think_ they are Judeophobic, but in that case, they have been duped into common cause with a movement that clearly is.

      All one has to do is take one glance at would-be Brownshirt Herskovitz's toxic blog, and you get the idea of what the driving force behind BDS is.

      All the same, Herskovitz is a psycho-pathological example of a an arrogant and hugely stretched out ego in a very small pond. If he does find his way to this blog, watch for him to spew his spurious and slimy tape-loop dogma about “Jewish supremacist state,” “Apartheid Israel” and conspiratorial red herrings about so-called “Jewish control” of Congress, the media etc., etc., etc, blah blah blah. The American Nazi Party, could hardly have asked for a better mouthpiece for their hate-fueled rhetoric. And, HH's spiels are all reinforced on a gruel thin frame constructed with tendentious arguments.

      If you do not share Henry's views 100% of the way, he will “educate” you on the “error of your ways” and do so in the most pompous manner conceivable. He is also quite glib and easily and shamelessly lies with absolutely no compunctions, not to mention with total lack of context.

      There is no room for dissension in Henry's world, and he has successfully alienated many a fellow traveler in his netherworld of BDSers, anti-Zionists, and Israel haters because they think he's over the top especially in his ongoing harassment maneuvers outside the synagogue.

    • volleyboy1 August 15, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

      scarlet….

      hopefully others have some ideas, based on the Ann Arbor model, as to how useful anti BDS fun can be had at the expense of what seem to be our common enemies

      There are many ways to “have fun” with the BDS'ers…

      The first and foremost is to ask them what their ultimate goal is and why they
      “scrubbed” their original site which advocated for no end to BDS until Palestinian “Right of Return” was enacted.

      The second is to use their language against them. For example they talk about the rights of Palestinians but never of Jews. Ask them why they don't feel the Jewish people have the right self-determination but that the Palestinian people do.

      Third, ask them about “what come next”. Give them the scenario “Say, you get what you want… then what? What historical precedents give you any indication that your dream of the United States of Israel/Palestine will ever happen? Who in the mainstream Palestinian Polity even supports this?”

      I usually am met with total silence when those questions are asked. AND the ones who do answer… well… let's just say you get to see the real face of BDS.

      The third

  26. Dusty August 16, 2012 at 12:31 am #

    The technologically impaired West Coast Zionist conspiracy was at the Sacramento hearing- blog entry, and youtubes forthcoming once life the universe and everything else is taken care of. The important thing- the entire community showed up for this one- the room was packed with supporters of Israel, and the vote to adopt Ashkelon as a sister city was unamious. No way the BDS'ers can spin this one.

    And again, we learn. When we fight back, we win. And Mike L, volleyball and friends- can you channel your energy and passion into fighting the enemies of Israel, instead of each other?

    • Mike from Ann Arbor August 16, 2012 at 2:41 am #

      Thanks for the great news, Dusty. And, I second your plea for folks to keep focused on the real target of our efforts, the insidious anti-Israel crew and their poisonous BDS.

    • volleyboy1 August 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

      Yes Dusty… that is a good call. I did at first try to do just that, however, I got sucked into the vortex of negativity and contributed there. As I said to scarlet – I apologize. My bad for fighting back.

      You are right. We do need to keep our “eye on the ball”. Particularly regarding BDS and the “We hate Israel (and the Jews)” crew.

  27. Mike from Ann Arbor August 16, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    My apologies for repeating this, but as I sent it originally as a reply to Stop BDS Park Slope/nycerbarb's comments above where the links to the articles on the Sacto City Council's unanimous selection of Ashkelon as a sister city were listed, I thought it might get missed:

    In looking at the Sacramento Bee article, I noticed that there were a number of comments from the anti-Israel crowd but mostly from people who just thought that this wasn't the business of the city council.

    There was one horrible, raging ungrammatical antisemite on there using the screen name “jcksweat.” I reported his remarks as abusive, and somebody openly asked the Bee if they countenance hate speech. I think more people should look at the offensive comments by “jcksweat” and report them as abuse and/or comment. The racist rants were still up a few minutes ago.

    http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/15/4726563/sacramento-council-approves-sister.html

    • fizziks August 16, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

      These newspapers never do anything about the hate speech in their online comment sections, in my experience.

  28. Henry Herskovitz August 17, 2012 at 1:17 am #

    “…signs waved by people with coats over their own heads”

    Really? Have you attended our vigils? Please do, and dispel for yourself this ridiculous claim …

    • Anonymous August 17, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

      Been there, seen it, photographed it, posted it on the FEH site…..as well as your pal Blaine colmaniac in full masked terrorist garb scaring kids at the library and coop.

      Henry the only clarification anyone needs from you is the name of your shrink…so he/she can be listed on Angie's list as a gross incompetent , given your plummet into malicious delusion under his/her care.

      scarlet p.

  29. Sylvia August 17, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    Harry
    Cameras made their way into your vigil all by themselves? Fact is there are pictures of members of your vigil waving signs in front of the synagogue with their coats over their heads.

  30. Mike from Ann Arbor August 17, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    Leave it to Henry Herskovitz to try to set up a smokescreen by honing in on one small detail while ignoring the gist of this blog denouncing him and his vile siege of a house of worship on its holiest days, i.e., the big picture, of his morally bankrupt activity. How about dealing with the fact that your decade-long siege of the synagogue is uncalled-for, unjustifiable, inexcusable, bigoted, outright harassment, interference with the peace of Shabes, Jew-baiting, and basically similar to the actions of your Nazi heroes of the 1930s and 1940s who also waved hateful, antisemitic signs in front of Jewish institutions and soon went on to do far, far worse.

    BTW, Mr. Herskovitz, what Sylvia and others say is absolutely true. Just take a gander at http://www.hvcn.org/info/feh/ That sure looks like one of your vigil-anti goons with head covered by a coat holding one of your “neatly-lettered” hate signs before a congregant and his two small children. Is there any more proof needed of your malicious mendacity? You make up stuff about your so-called “vigil” and lie about Israel and Jews all the time, so who can believe anything you say?

    And, speaking of hooded pickets, your buddy Blaine certainly looks very fashionable dressed all in terrorist black with his full face mask bravely standing in front of the downtown branch of Ann Arbor’s public library with his swastika-bedecked, obscenity-laden placard. He must have been waiting for some child library users to flaunt his wonderful little sign in front of, much as he does at city council meetings esp. when Boy Scouts are present.

    Your pathetic toxic synagogue stalking hasn't helped a single Palestinian Arab while succeeding in raising more than six figures for Israel. In fact, as you know, local Islamic leaders have condemned your picketing as have the mayor and city council, the Interfaith Council, and just about everybody else in Ann Arbor and anywhere else where your malevolent activities are known.

    And, now your neighbors are up in arms about your shattering the peace of where they live because of your antisemitic flag and your damaging a public sidewalk with another hate message. After losing your “trial of the century” battle over the removal of one of your picket signs, get set to lose even more when your neighbors win their impending case against your uglifying the block and lowering their property values. And, how did you ever find seven other people (besides yourself) to vote for your non-election as a delegate to the County Republican Convention? Almost as good as the 1% of the vote you got in 2009 when you and Chuck Loucks failed miserably to push your BIGot BDS hijack attempt of the People’s Food Co-op. How’s all that working out for you, Henry? You apparently love the attention so much even when it’s all negative that you’re just soaking it in.

    You are to Jews what the soon-to-be bankrupt Andrew Shirvell is to gays.

    All this alienation and you just can't seem to get enough of it while your purported cause gains nothing and loses much. It demonstrates clearly that only your self-aggrandizement along with your irrational hatred for all things Jewish are all that seem to matter in your life. It’s all you have, and that’s just pathetic, petty, and pitiable. Too bad for you, Henry, too bad.

    Only a pathological egotist who doesn’t care how he gets attention would enjoy stirring up so much enmity. Guess you’ve learned something from your other role models: Charles Coughlin, the disgraced radio mouthpiece of Hitler and Mussolini in 1930s Detroit; Louis Farrakhan, the demagogic Jew-hating Nation of Islam Führer, the homophobic, antisemitic US military funeral-picketing Phelps Family; and an assortment of your fellow neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. It takes a special kind of psycho-pathological type to enjoy so much (well-deserved) hostility directed at him. Have fun, Heinrich, have fun.

  31. Empress Trudy August 17, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    There needs to be counterprotests at their HOMES 24/7/365 calling them out for the racist psychotic genocidal antisemitic fiends they are. And someone please call CPS to have Aimee Smith's child taken from her and put in a normal environment.

  32. Mike from Ann Arbor August 20, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    Empress Trudy: as much as your 24/7/365 picketing sounds like a good idea on paper (or in cyberspace), for many practical reasons it won't work:

    1) Most of the sane people in our area, opponents of Herskovitism, BDS, and other antisemitic movements, have _lives_ and cannot commit the same kind of time and energy that makes up the fanatic zeal of the Herskovite monomaniacs who live for nothing else _but_ hating Israel.

    2) There are at least 3 or 4 of Herskovitz's goons stalking the synagogue every Saturday (and when he occasionally imports people out of the area, a few more), so how do we find enough people who have the time and energy to even picket _just_ cult leader Herskovitz's house, let alone the homes of the other handful of die-hard followers of the Führer of the local wannabe Brownshirts?

    3) And most importantly, we don't need to alienate Herskovitz's neighbors especially since he has already earned their enmity with his desecrated Israeli flag (he desecrated it by painting the red international “no” sign over the Magen David) and having defaced the public sidewalk in front of his house with a “boycott Israel” hate message.

    If his neighbors stay on his case, and they can legally pressure him to take his hate flag down and repair the sidewalk (unfortunately a recently-enacted millage will probably fix the sidewalk, meaning we taxpayers will have to cover the cost of his vandalism–I hope the city makes _him_ pay as it's not a case of normal wear and tear), that should keep him in full defensive mode.

    We don't need to turn such a possible potent group of allies as his neighbors against those of us who have good reasons to despise this Himmler-mustachioed neo-Nazi rat. Let's hope that the neighbors continue a recent string of victories against this malevolent antisemitic hate monger.

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